17 TCU: The Horned Frogs had a very solid '08 season finishing with two losses, both to Top 10 schools, and had a nice upset of #9 Boise State in the bowl game. However, Boise State had nothing going for it except a win at Oregon, which while very impressive, cannot help you get a ranking that high. This year, 7 returning starters come back on offense and 4 on defense. The thing is, their defense was real good last year and let's be honest here, no way they can reload like U$C or any other big school.
18/19 Utah: Really? Sure they had a BCS win again, but the guy who led that team isn't back. Neither will their skilled positions with the exception of the TE position. On defense they return 7, but those are all guys that are good at best. This does not warrant such a high ranking. I honestly do not remember when a school with not that much talent, a new QB, and brand new receivers did well. Then again, the MWC is a mid-major, so good for them.
24/20 BYU: Just because their team is way older (silly Mormons), does not mean they are a top 25 school. Are they seriously better than Oregon State, Pitt, Illinois, and Texas Tech just to name a few? probably not. Yes, they will score a lot with Max Hall (pictured to the right) still taking snaps, but their defense is really thin and the fact of the matter is, how good has their recruiting been to replace a solid 25 team from a year ago? Just ask Big 12 teams not named Texas or OU about scoring a lot, and getting scored on a lot. Oh, and they lost to the Pac 10's 5th best team in the Vegas Bowl last year.While I may be wrong about these three schools, the fact that the rest of the MWC is as good as Davon Jefferson's grammar, they have to beat the big dogs from other conferences to prove something. Also, notice how none of them really play the top 2 teams from other leagues. One match-up to watch though is when Utah plays Oregon, that will be fun.
Funny how you can mock someone's grammar and in the same sentance misspell the word "grammar" as "grammer". Also, Utah's defense may not "warrent" that high of a ranking, but I assure you, their defense does "warrant" the ranking they received. Perhaps a more appropriate slam would be "The rest of the MWC is as good as Ran Jeremy's grammer." Leaving grammar misspelled will add to the irony.
ReplyDeleteYou claim that none of the top three MWC teams play the top 2 teams from other leagues. Incorrect. BYU plays Oklahoma, who is top three in the nation, as well as Florida State. TCU travels to Clemson as well as Virginia. With the ACC as muddled as it is, who knows where those teams will shake out. Oregon is easily second best in the Pac-10, and as you stated, they play Utah.
Your arguments and facts are weak, and follow the same line of reasoning that produced such classic college football follies as "Boise could never hang with Oklahoma" and "Utah is just not strong enough to play with Alabama." The rest of the nation is opening their eyes to great football being played outside of the "BCS" conferences, which is reflected in these polls. You can continue to claim each victory as a fluke, but the real concern is your ignorance; so why should we listen to you? The "information" in this article is as skewed as your perceptions.
Wow that is great, a Pac (1)0 fan going after the Mtn West. And not even a SC fan at that. So why didn't you tell the readers about the Mtn West 7-1 regular season record against the Pac (1)0 or BYU's 59-0 thrashing of UCLA last year. Even better why not the 44 to 6 Blowout at the hands of a Utah team playing with a back up QB and a running back that had his red shirt pulled the night before the game. If I remember right that UCLA team was ranked #11 at the time. So win first and claim overrated later. Or you could just wind up like the Bammers. Go Utes! I am out!
ReplyDeleteI dare say Ran Jeremy, "youv been skooled."
ReplyDeletenot so fast my mwc homies:
ReplyDeletethe pac 10 had the best bowl record this past year, which included an upset of "mighty" BYU. Sure, the MWC teams play OU and FSU but FSU hasn't been it's old self and im sure will beat them down. the acc does suck, so who knows. the points are good in this and while might be presented in a sightly favored way, you cannot argue that none of those teams is that great.
Dear The Banksta, let's see here, BYU beat the pac 10's 7th best team from a year ago at home, Utah got a lucky call (i watched the game) at home against OSU, and may i remind you of the beating UCLA gave byu in 2007? Utah beating UCLA at home (hmm, i sense a THEME here), was with a UCLA quarterback who played with a concussion (fact). And also, that #11 ranked team finished 6-7 that year, so yea, it was overrated then; still not an impressive argument.
Let's be honest, MWC is a strong conference but having 3 ranked teams now is goofy at best.
Michigan beat Tim Tebow and the Florida Gators just two seasons ago in the Capitol One Bowl.
ReplyDeleteHow have your "beloved Bruins" done on their last two trips to Utah?
ReplyDeleteumm the same way BYU and Utah have at the Rose Bowl, an 0-2 record since 2006. hmm... what now?
ReplyDeleteRan you're pretty funny. So UCLA getting some serious Pac 1 officiating against BYU at the Rose Bowl (just look at the penalties against each team, what was it 2 UCLA to BYU's 10+?) and still only losing by 10 (UCLA scored a TD with less than a minute in the game). The second half was all BYU, I was at the game and UCLA fans were crying since the beginning of the 3rd. Remind me how that's a "beating"? Oh by the way we had a Sophomore QB playing in just his 2nd game after a 2 year hiatus from football who threw for nearly 400 yards while Benny didn't even break 200.
ReplyDeleteThis blog is a joke, you obviously do very little research (i.e. who MWC schools play... Wyoming playing Texas (#1 in Big 12), BYU playing OK (#2 in Big 12), Utah playing Oregon (#2 in Pac 1), and BYU playing Fl. St (#1 in ACC).
Oh BTW, I'll give you your Rose Bowl wins against BYU and Utah BUT at least we can say we made it a good game, especially for us having to go on the road. UCLA beat them by a total of 58-27 at the Rose but when they headed to Utah they lost 103-6. Yeah, you might want to keep your silly comebacks silent because they don't look so good when you see them right in front of you.
I'm calling it, UCLA gets annihilated by SDSU in the season opener at home. Go Aztecs!
listen, I am gonna settle this once and for all. little research? i googled those three teams' schedules and rosters and looked up returning starters, etc. now...
ReplyDeleteas far as the last few years go, I do believe the MWC deserves a shitload of credit because it was damn impressive and two of those teams broke my heart so there is no disrespect. if anything, i was saying how based on the previous achievements of the past couple years (which are real good, but in my book not "amazing") the conference earned 3 spots in the top 25 and rightfully so perhaps. i guess that's why you play the games. in fact, you can count on me rooting against texas/ou in those match ups you talked about.
ps. no shit the bruins have been sub par since 2007, that's a fact. we've been about the 6th best team in the Pac, and played the top MWC teams.
Ran,
ReplyDeleteYou are not looking at the whole picture show! The way things are shaking out these days in college football the Mountain West Conference definitely deserves 3 teams ranked in the top 25 and are not overrated.
The Mountain West is benefiting from other conferences being down and more parity from top to bottom in Division 1 football.
The Big East is an embarrassment to the BCS Conferences. The conference is way down. Honestly, how many teams are top 25 material? The reason prognosticators are having trouble picking a true Big East Champion this year is because they are all average! Remember in 2004 when Utah was matched up with the Big East champion Pitt in the Fiesta Bowl. We all know what a joke that was.
The ACC had no conference member finish in 2008 with fewer than 4 losses.
The Mountain West finished 7-1 in the regular season head to head against the PAC-10.
The Mountain West Conference bottom dwellers performed quite well against other BCS conference teams. UNLV wins at Arizona St. and verses Iowa St. Wyoming a win over Tennessee on the road. New Mexico a win over Arizona.
So all things considered, I would not hesitate to rank 3 teams from the Mountain West in the top 25 AP and Coaches polls.
All preseason rankings are a joke. The MWC is a strong conference, perhaps stronger than one or two BCS conferences if we go by last year's results. But they will have to continue to excel against BCS conference teams, ESPECIALLY
ReplyDeletein bowl games, for several years before the BCS will be forced to change the current way it picks teams for BCS bowl games/NC.
I don't count the bone the BCS threw out this year. It requires either a Pac-10 or Big Ten (11) team to be in the NC for another non BCS team to play in a BCS bowl (specifically the Rose). The Pac-10 is too competitive in-conference for any team to go undefeated. Just
ask SC who they lose to (answer, other Pac-10 teams). And the Big Ten(11)'s recent performance in BCS bowls shows they don't belong there right now.
What the MWC needs to do is keep winning against BCS teams for 3-5 years, then challenge a weak BCS conference's privelege of being a BCS conference instead of the MWC. The Big East is the most likely candidate, given how they were gutted a few years ago and had to grab 3 teams from "other" conferences to survive as a football conference.